Timeline for Who the hell is Truth?
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| Apr 4, 2016 at 21:21 | comment | added | Shaymin Gratitude | The relationship between the entity beyond the gate and Truth is not explained. Even the wiki article you linked for Eye of God says so. Therefore, you cannot assert so definitively that "Truth is not God", nor can it be asserted that the entity beyond the gate "is God" because the wiki article states that the entity's nature is never revealed. Based on your comments above, I expect your answer would benefit from citing the manga directly. | |
| Aug 15, 2014 at 2:37 | comment | added | Cattua | @Quikstryke When facing the gate, Homunculus says, "神、何を君がないのだ？" ("God, what are you not content with?") Truth says from behind, "お前は己を信じないからだ。" ("Because you don't believe in yourself.") When asked what he is, Truth says, "お前たちの世界といえば存在。ありはうちゅう。。。そして、私はお前と。" meaning "I am the being which is spoken of as the world, the existence 'universe'... and, I am called 'you'." ("God" is said in the same way as "universe", in a list.) Given the use of と (Japanese quotation) prior to いえば and at the end of his sentence, I'm convinced he's listing them as names, in the same way as he says he "is" the world. | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 20:56 | comment | added | Quikstryke | @killua at the end of the day you maybe right I would love to see the raw as well. My initial point was the burden of proof is to prove he wasnt God since it seems (not just me) the internet as population seems to translate truth as god. A simple google search "hiromu arakawa god" can confirm this as the general interpretation. Most sites list it as such. As this is a site for discovery I am open to and would like to see evidence against the common interpretation/translation. Does someone else have the raw? I believe however he starts by saying "kami o" addressing god and truth responds. | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 20:47 | comment | added | Cattua | @Quikstryke "I am what you call." Just like I am what you call キルア, but that's not who I actually am. (If only.) I don't have my raw volume 26 with me, so I won't be able to actually check that until September, but I have confidence that the meaning of, "This is my what humans call me," will not change. | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 20:14 | comment | added | Quikstryke | Start on this page and go next few pages: mangahere.co/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c108/24.html | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 20:13 | comment | added | Quikstryke | Well I think that is based on translation. But even by what you said it can still be inferred that humans call him different names because they cant comprehend the greater, he is still implying all of those names are a single thing. Not sure if this is allowed on here so I'll put it in a separate post incase stack deletes it (if someone can upload these images outside of this site that would be great): | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 20:01 | comment | added | Cattua | @Quikstryke I got your point, but you seemed to ignore mine. He states, "I am the called by many names," but never says that he actually is any of those things. As far as I can tell, this is your only premise for your argument, and I see no reason at all why it should be considered "proof". | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 19:51 | comment | added | Quikstryke | I think you missed the point they are all the same. He states I am god, I am you, I am the universe, I am truth. The eye refers to the eye of Providence (Personification of God): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence, the Gate is the barrier between self and god, "Truth" is the avatar basically a personification that explains the rules of the universe, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar (see end of first sentence), and you is the piece of god that is but trapped outside the gate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_%28Hinduism%29 | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 19:38 | comment | added | Cattua | @Quikstryke I'd call it far from speculative. There is nothing to suggest they are the same being. There is no proof they are not, but proving a negative is not a trivial matter. He calls himself "God" by prefacing it with "I am the called by many names," never stating that he is any one of them. I would agree more with your religious analogies if Truth existed as a physical being; however, he is metaphysical, just as the Gate and the Eye are. Furthermore, he is not an avatar of God, as he is an avatar of the person with whom he communicates. | |
| Aug 14, 2014 at 19:12 | comment | added | Quikstryke | Where is your proof that is he not God? This seems very speculative. Even the wikia references you are pointing to allude that they maybe one and the same. The point truth makes is everyone is connected, and everyone can get to the gate and God/Truth exists within everything, they are one and the same but also personified differently. Truth maybe just an Avatar of the Ultimate Being. This isn't necessarily contradictory as many religions observe this phenomena (Christianity with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit, or Hinduism with their "personified gods"/Single formless God/Truth). | |
| May 19, 2014 at 10:38 | comment | added | Dante | Also, the words "Adonai" are written on the gate, which is Hebrew for "God." You can see it at 1:18 here: youtube.com/watch?v=u6Tgl4f8Rxc | |
| Dec 22, 2013 at 17:17 | history | bounty ended | Madara's Ghost | ||
| Apr 2, 2013 at 16:57 | vote | accept | Madara's Ghost | ||
| Apr 2, 2013 at 16:46 | history | answered | Cattua | CC BY-SA 3.0 |