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After reading chapter 757 I wondered the following:

Rayleigh explained that objects like your body or other weapons could be imbued with Haki, but what about waves, beams or slashes? After reading the fight between Sabo and admiral Fujitori, it made me wonder if admiral Fujitora would be able to actually hurt Sabo with his power instead of just toying him around. I first thought something similar after seeing Law fight Smoker in Punk Hazard. Law didn't hurt smoker at all, while he sliced up every other person and every object nearby. He had to subdue him by taking his heart and he did so by actually touching him and not by using a long-ranged attack. At first I thought it was because Smoker could block or evade all his slashes, but now I start to think it was because Logia users can't be hit with intangible attacks.

  • does intangible attack performed by logia user also included here like Yasakani no Magatama of kizaru – mirroroftruth Aug 27 '14 at 7:16
  • @mirroroftruth Yes. Would Kizaru be able to coat his light-bullets with Haki? – Peter Raeves Aug 27 '14 at 10:56
  • than answer can be yes because logia user can be hit without using haki , i just need to find one example with intangible attack – mirroroftruth Aug 27 '14 at 11:28
  • @mirroroftruth I'm asking in general, so the attack should work on all logia users and not by using the natural weakness of the user. – Peter Raeves Aug 27 '14 at 13:47
  • I'm asking in general, so the attack should work on all logia users then that is going to be hard one because even Haki user can't hit logia user if logia user is highly trained and skilled like admirals. – mirroroftruth Aug 27 '14 at 19:03
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Technically the answer is yes, as any Logia can be hit by any sort of attack if they're in their flesh form, either because they were caught off guard and didn't reflexively transform, or if they wanted to take the hit (for example to shield someone else), or when they are wearing sea stone handcuffs.

I think the answer to the question of whether intangible attacks can hit logia users in general though is no.

Logia users have two ways of evading attacks in general, they can become their element, such as when Crocodlie is hit by bullets and simply becomes sand where the bullets hit and then reforms, or by changing their shape they can avoid the attack, such as when Aokiji opened up a hole in his own chest when Whitebeard stabbed him with a haki infused bisento.

I think the first method suffices for a basic intangible attack, as from what we have seen it is not possible to use haki on an intangible attack.

Sword beams are different, as they look intangible, but other than with Law, who uses his devil fruit, what swordsmen such as Zoro and Mihawk do is swing their sword fast enough to send the air in front of the sword flying at you at very high speeds, and they can transfer haki to the air itself, as when Zoro sliced Monet.

However, proper intangible energy based attack, such as Enel's Lightning, Kizaru's light and possibly Fujitora's gravity have never been shown to have haki infused in them, and Rayleigh's explanation didn't mention this as a possibility.

Also, there are relatively few intangible attacks in One Piece as a whole, some which seem to be such as Ace's hiken are in fact Ace turning his fist into fire, making the fire huge and hitting you with it, so this attack could easily contain haki. Ace's move where he fires fire through his fingers like a gun however, probably could not contain haki.

I don't think it is possible, unless you were to hit them when they are in their flesh form, or with their eleme metal weakness, as the only thing that can normally hit a logia's true body when they are transformed is busoshoku haki.

  • To be honest it would be inconsistent if you could imbue air-particles but not fire-particles or any other kind of particles. So apart from that I think I'd agree that it wouldn't be possible. Monet was probably caught off guard as she was biting Tashigi's shoulder and didn't expect Zorro to attack and needed flesh form to bite down on her shoulder. – Peter Raeves Oct 28 '14 at 15:18
  • I see where you're coming from, but I think the difference is that the air particles were there to begin with, and just pushed by Zoro, like bullets, but the fire particles are created by Ace and shot out. It's a subtle distinction, but I think it's important. – Qiri Oct 28 '14 at 21:47
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Yes, the Logia user can be hurt by intangible attack. The fight between Monet, Zoro and Tashigi where Monet was going to bite off Tashigi shoulder Zoro cut Monet face using slash/wave, bloods flows so definitely its a hit and it is a slash/wave because Zoro was far from Monet and walking toward her to blow final attack. Episode 613 17:23-17:35. Here is the YouTube video clip

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Logia users can be hit with intangible attacks. Users of Busoshoku Haki can strike Logia users as if they were human. When Haki is applied to a Logia user while they are intangible, rather than nullifying the powers completely; it turns the user back to their physical form. I have listed 2 other ways to damage Logia users too:

  1. Logia users suffer the same weakness to the sea and Kairoseki as with other Devil Fruit users, forcing them back into their original form and sealing their powers. By using a weapon that is coated or tipped with Kairoseki. An example of this is the Nanashaku Jitte that Smoker uses as his primary weapon. It can be used to nullify Devil Fruit powers simply by contact.
  2. Another way to harm a Logia is to exploit the element itself, using its properties to solidify the user and rendering them vulnerable to damage. For example, Enel, being made of electricity, is vulnerable to Luffy's rubber body despite his honed reflexes, since rubber is an insulator. Another example is Crocodile, who, being made of sand, can be struck if his body is dampened (either by getting him wet or striking with wet limbs), since sand sticks together if wet.
  • Could you give a chapter or a link that backs up your answer? – Torisuda Sep 17 '14 at 8:19
  • Smoker's Jitte or Luffy's fist aren't really examples of intangible attacks as they are both tangible items. So could you back up your statement Logia users can be hit with intangible attacks with other examples? – Peter Raeves Sep 26 '14 at 10:39

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