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I've rewatched Rebuild of Evangelion: 1.01: You can (not) advance, and something struck me. At the very end (so spoiler):

Kaworu is on the moon, looking at Shinji, and say "You're the third again, Shinji"

Is the "again" a sign that what happened in NGE/EoE in the same continuity? Or does it link with RoE 3/4 (which I've still to see)?

  • Given that the showmakers like to leave things to interpretation and follow the "find your own meaning" line of thought, we probably will never know. – Mindwin Jul 22 '15 at 15:04
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It's up to interpretation and there hasn't been, as of yet, any sort of official take on what a lot of the cryptic stuff that Kaworu says. If you'll recall, he also calls Gendo "Father". The line you're referring to is probably more something like:

"The third again? You never change. I look forward to meeting you Shinji Ikari."

Not that Shinji is the "3rd" again so much as referring to Shinji as "3rd" and saying he's up to something "again".

Lots of ways to interpret this in light of some of the other things:

  1. Kaworu and Shinji may have met a long time ago, and when Kaworu mentions looking forward to meeting him again, it's in reference to a previous meeting which Shinji may not have either been aware of or remember

  2. Similar to #1, it may have been that Kaworu was a silent observer through a lot of the previous chronology before the start of the first film, enough so to have felt that he has personal ties with the family, thus also referring to Gendo as "father"

  3. Going along the veins of #2, there's also an off-hand mention of a "Pact" with Lilith in the 3rd movie, this could all have tied into how Angels in general play a different role in this continuity than in the original TV series. It's possible that Angels have been interacting with humans well before Sachiel's attack in the first film and that Kaworu may be referring to that interaction.

  4. Venturing in to even more speculation, there is the "Sequel" stuff. Some people interpret Kaworu's language and how he's acts as he's met Shinji before as evidence that Kaworu is either some sort of time traveller, that the new films are a thematic or chronologic sequel of the original TV series (and for some reason, Kaworu alone remembers the events from the TV series), or there was a world "reset" after instrumentality of the TV series (and again, Kaworu is the only one that remembers those events). Can get even wilder with speculation, but you get the idea.

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The prevalent theory about the Rebuild movies is that they are, in fact, a sequel to the original. No one is entirely certain how everything connects, but there are a lot of theories out there. Rather than attempt to cover them all myself, I'll provide links to relevant discussions. I encourage anyone who has more links to add them here so we can create a good resource for future reference.

  1. Relevant post on this site. The answer here provides common pieces of evidence, while also bringing up alternative theories (including the idea that these are just nods to the original series and nothing more). Furthermore it's noted that "Kaworu has always been saying weird things."

  2. Check out the first comment on this reddit thread. It provides some relevant quotes from the show's staff. In particular, there is a quote from Anno himself saying that "Eva is a story that repeats," which is one of the more strongest pieces of evidence supporting the sequel theory (that said, Anno, much like Kaworu, is know for saying some pretty weird things).

  3. Comment #4 on this MAL thread offers some additional perspective related to the overall tone of the series. It discusses this difference of tone in context with how Touji's story has a different ending in several iterations of the series, including the manga.
  4. This thread on the EvaGeeks wiki offers some opinions contrary to the sequel theory. However, I personally don't see many strong arguments here - mainly opinions that aren't backed up with an evidence - for example comments like "I think it's just a re-telling with plot twists and new plot holes." While funny, this really doesn't examine evidence in support of either side. That said, it's important to consider both perspectives with something as complex as Evangelion.
  5. Finally, here's a picture commonly referenced in this debate.Sequel Theory
  • Please quote the relevant content or summary of the links here. – nhahtdh Jul 22 '15 at 15:56
  • I thought I did summarize most of them? Anyways, I'll go back and add some more specific info. – anonymous Jul 22 '15 at 16:12
  • While the evageeks link was amongst the first on the site to address the remake/sequel stuff, there have been supplimental materials that have been released since (and dialog from the film) that provide in-universe explanations for a lot of the imagery, like red oceans, blood on the moon, outline on the hill, etc, provided in other threads that've been created since – Jon Lin Jul 22 '15 at 16:40
  • @JonLin I just looked over the site (mostly skimmed though) and couldn't find anything in particular. If you have links can you edit them into the response? – anonymous Jul 22 '15 at 16:48
  • I didn't notice the spherical object in rebuild's second impact when I saw the movie. I'm now curious if where second impact occurred in rebuild was Antartica – Memor-X Jul 27 '15 at 12:57

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