In the movie "Battle of gods" Goku doesn't seems to be far from Beerus. Later Akira Toriyama said that in Battle of gods if Goku is a 6 Beerus is a 10 and Whiz is a 15. Later we see Goku to attain another transformation (probably stronger) since in the manga is shown as a next stage (in the manga he uses regular god form instead of SSGSS for saving energy probably). In the anime we see Goku using SSGSS Kaioken x10. That would make Goku to be a at least a "60" when Beerus is a 10, unless movie, anime, and manga are all independent stories. Then my question is, is Beerus still stronger than Goku in the series, or is he not? Am I missing something?

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    Using SSGSS Kaioken x10 will puts a great deal of strain on the user body, just like Frieza's Golden Form, the power up will quickly fade away. Goku indeed stronger than Beerus at the beginning of the powerful transformation, but slowly Beerus will still take over the fight as the Kaioken worn out.
    – Happy Face
    Commented Jul 23, 2016 at 3:59
  • why comment? put it as an answer
    – Pablo
    Commented Jul 23, 2016 at 14:59
  • @HappyFace but ofcourse the manga had to have Goku beat Hit without using Kaio Ken, so now we have 2 different Goku's, one who can use SSBlue KaioKen and one who at least never tried. Anime has so much contradictory filler in it that power levels make no sense.
    – Ryan
    Commented Jul 25, 2016 at 15:30

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Well, right now I think we can say almost. Due to Whis' explanation of the Ultra Instinct transformation. In the battle between Kefla and Goku. Whis states that Goku's attacks are ineffective because he still hasn't mastered the art of the unconcious attack and also states that it is very hard to learn and that even Beerus hasn't mastered it's use.

If Goku is able to complete it then for sure he will be stronger than Beerus for a moment. He still doesn't have stamina to maintain the form (a common thing now with every transformation).

But given the nature of how it works. I think Beerus wouldn't be able to land an attack on him at full power even with Ultra Instinct active.

Still it's only speculation at this point.

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