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Spoilers if you didn't see episode 472 of the anime yet:

In episode 472, when Kaguya changed the environment to the world with high gravity, how come Kakashi and Obito could move while Naruto, Sasuke and even Kaguya couldn't?

I know they all used a lot of chakra fighting each other, but they are on a different level totally, and besides, Obito was half dead, and used almost all of his chakra to find Sasuke and bring him back.

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    had the same doubt while watching it. – Bej Sep 1 '16 at 5:29
  • anyone? any ideas? – Ashkan Sirous Sep 3 '16 at 23:52
  • I'm not sure how true this is or not. But when before Obito merged with the ten-tails he used his sharingan to make himself transparent - all attacks pass through him- by transporting to another dimension. So maybe they both used that dimension to free themselves of the gravity since they share it? – Callat Sep 7 '16 at 18:16
  • The will of fire i believe – Vahn Sep 8 '16 at 1:26
  • My bet is on raw muscle. Kakshi and Obito theoretically would be the physically strongest ones there (especially with Kakashi having the Gates release), being adult males in their early 30s, and extremely fit. As well, those 2 had plenty of time to rest their muscles before that event while naruto and sasuke were fighting. No one there could use chakra to enhance strength either, just simulate or supplement it. – Ryan Sep 8 '16 at 6:46
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Many have mentioned the plothole part, however this seems to be a case of using a writing device to

1. Give Obito a heroic death
2. Absolve Obito of his crimes
3. Allow Kakshi to be cool by completing his Sharingan

In Universe Explanation: This is the explanation written on the Wiki, a typical case of Eleventh Hour Superpower

Obito returns Sasuke and Sakura to the dimension where Naruto and Kakashi are. He watches as Naruto and Sasuke fight Kaguya, their combined powers the only ones capable of stopping her. Aware of this, Kaguya relocates them to a dimension with powerful gravity and pins Naruto and Sasuke down while she attacks with All-Killing Ash Bones. Obito and Kakashi, empowered by a shared memory of their past friendship, place themselves in front of Naruto and Sasuke as shields. Because his odyssey began by saving Kakashi from death by a boulder, Obito decides he must now end things by saving Kakashi's life again: he uses his left eye to teleport the attack aimed at Kakashi away, allowing the attack directed at him to connect. Obito's body begins to crumble and there is nothing anyone can do to save him. He warns Kakashi that he will not be around to save him a third time and places his faith for a better world in Naruto before dying with a smile.

This can be compared to a final push, the rush of adrenaline. Obito and Kakashi pushed themselves to the limit figuring they would die, while Naruto/Sasuke were still hoping to escape the Gravity pull so that they could continue fighting.

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Logical Explanation: Naruto and Sasuke had already jumped out of the way of the quicker first shots. Not only did they just expend great energy to move, they were also in terrible positions to attempt to get up. Whereas Kakashi and Obito had not been shot at, or even looked at, they had already stood up and could run. They were also able to freely infuse their chakra while Naruto, Sasuke and Kaguya were using theirs fighting each other. And then there was the mystical BS of Rin grabbing them and pulling them into position

Likely Truth: A plot hole by the writers in order to give Obito a noble death and introduce the idea that their team can somehow briefly help each other from beyond the grave to justify when Obito posthumously gave Kakashi both Mangekyo Sharingan for a temporary amount of time

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kishimoto knows this but the viewers dont and he indirectly already confirmed body and charkra are different when he introduced lee and gai, most viewers see charkra as more physical strength and more speed, they don't realize that charkra and physique/Body are completely different categories.
Example:

1= Human Adult Male

2= Bodybuilder Male/Power lifter

Average Ninjas Body= 1, exactly as it was since the day they became able to extract charkra, most future ninjas learn charkra extraction by the age of 4-7 which is the time they enter ninja school, before charkra they are normal human no superstrength or anything.

Naruto/Sasuke Body= 2, slightly higher even tho they never done training for physique just because they are talented individuals and have bloodlines/tail beast since birth.

Kakashi= 4, trained to open 1 gate

Lee=20, train enough to make muscles, bones and body stronger to survive gates being release upto 6.

Gai=30, can survive without breaking bones up til 7 gate.

all ninjas can use charkra to directly enhance power/speed depending on charkra and charkra control, some like tsunade and sakura have extremely talented control thus are able to create similar feats of superhuman strength when they fight, others like kakashi are lower tier when they fight in close combat as seen with his fight against obito, while lee and gai do have stronger bodies but because they have bad charkra control there increase from charkra enhancement is not like tsunade or sakura.

  • When you say Kishimoto indirectly already confirmed what you mention here in your answer do you have a source of this indirect confirmation? – Memor-X Jun 2 '17 at 0:04
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sigh what a bunch of noobs, charkra is internal energy it has nothing to do with Physique like Muscle, Bones, Skin, organs, ninjas do not train their physical mortal bodies besides special cases like Lee and Gai, the reason why Kakashi and obito could move is because they have superior physique compare to sasuke and naruto who have never trained their bodies before, and because gravity increases the weight of everything charkra cannot help here, the only thing that can help is pure physical strength and kakashi had train with gai many times and was able to open 1 gate meaning he is stronger physically.

  • is called the Container and the Water, A ninjas essence is Charkra which is an energy located within the stomach and runs through the charkra network, so in this case is the water, the container is the body/physique of the ninja, a ninja does not need a strong body to become powerfull as charkra can be used to increase speed, jumping, power etc, but remind you that charkra does not change the structure of a ninjas body like Bones, Muscle, Organs etc, this is why Gai and Lee train their bodies so that when they open the gates it does not rip them apart, sakura for example uses charkra control. – Naruto fan Jun 1 '17 at 18:09
  • FYI, you can edit this into your answer using the appropriate button rather than adding extra information via comments – Matt Jun 1 '17 at 19:21

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