Now I'm rather confused. The timeline doesn't add up to me. I was hoping someone to shed some light.

So here's how the events seemingly happened.

  1. The hidden cloud had, for a period, attempted to capture the nine-tails.
  2. As a result, the nine-tails ate the Kin/Gin Brothers.
  3. To survive, they ate the flesh from his stomach.
  4. The nine-tails spit them out, and they had his chakra when they were expelled.

That's all fine, but it doesn't add up.

  • It was said that between the five great villages, the Hidden Leaf was the first.
  • It was also said that after Madara's and Hashirama's battle, the nine-tails was sealed inside Hashirama's wife, Mito.
  • Shortly before Mito died, the nine-tails was transferred to Kushina.
  • During the short nine-tails attack on the village (after being freed from Kushina), the nine-tails was sealed again, inside of Naruto.

Now, we also know that the Kin/Gin brothers were at the same time as the second Hokage, Tobirama. Given that they were the ones who killed him.

When did they have time to get swallowed up by the nine-tails?. The Hidden Cloud village didn't exist before Konoha did, so it can't be before Madara's and Hashirama's battle, and right after that, the nine-tails was in constant Leaf possession.

So when? When did the cloud try to get the nine-tails?

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According to this Naruto Wiki page (second and third paragraphs), the brothers were swallowed by Kurama before the battle between Hashirama and Madara took place (the battle after Madara's desertion from Konoha, when he used the Sharingan to tame Kurama).
This would mean they were swallowed before Kurama was ever sealed inside any Uzumaki.

Chapter 529, page 3
Chapter 529, page 3

Now, we also know that the Kin/Gin brothers were at the same time as the second Hokage, Tobirama. Given that they were the ones who killed him.

Although this is true, I think Tobirama and Hashirama are almost the same age, which would mean Kinkaku and Ginkaku's age is somewhere around both Senju brothers.

From what I understand, the timeline would go something like this (not sure about how much time between each "step"):

  • Founding of Konoha;
  • Founding of Kumo;
  • Kinkaku and Ginkaku get swallowed, when sent to capture Kurama;
  • Madara deserts and attacks Konoha, using Kurama;
  • Hashirama wins the battle, and Uzumaki Mito seals Kuruma inside of her.
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    But then again, the cloud didn't exist before the leaf, so how does that work out? Jul 7, 2013 at 20:03
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    @MadaraUchiha Added a timeline, which I think makes sense, but I may be missing something.
    – JNat
    Jul 7, 2013 at 20:11
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    @MadaraUchiha The only thing that really bothers me is the consistent use (either by Kishimoto or by the people who translate chapters) of expressions like "a long time before/after event x", which makes the timeline seem a lot longer than it actually is.
    – JNat
    Jul 7, 2013 at 20:35

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