When Naruto first mastered Rasenshuriken and used it against Kakuzu, his arm was also injured due to multiple wind blades that also damage the user and had to recover for a while.

But in a recent chapter, combined with Sasuke's Amaterasu, both of them were holding the Rasenshuriken and they hit Tobi without throwing it. So how come it seems like they did not take any damage when they hit Tobi without throwing it?

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    can you provide some images nix? :)
    – Vond Ritz
    Aug 1 '13 at 2:07

The first time Naruto was shown using the Rasenshuriken, it was during the fight with Kakuzu. At the time, Naruto had not mastered the Rasen Shuriken completely. He had to hit the target in point blank range. Since he was in the blast range of the jutsu he was heavily impacted by the corrosive power of the jutsu.

But during his training in Mount Myoboku he mastered the Rasen Shuriken in a secretive manner, enabling him to throw the Rasen Shuriken over a distance. This allowed Naruto to stay off the blast range and also control the area covered by the blast from the Rasen Shuriken. But, even in his Sage mode, Naruto could use only two Rasen Shurikens, but he no longer sustained damage from his own jutsu.

Later, when he took control of the Kyuubi he had access to a huge amount of chakra previously unavailable to him, giving him the capability to use Rasen Shurikens more than two times.

Sasuke's Amaterasu is a fire technique, and Naruto's Rasenshuriken is a Wind technique, it is known that wind techniques increase the effectiveness of a fire technique. Thus Naruto and Sasuke combined their jutsus to make a far powerful jutsu. And since both of them were out of the blast radius, none of them were hurt from it.

Here is the image of Naruto throwing the Rasen Shuruken

Image taken from Manga chapter 634.

Regarding the recent usage of the combination of Rasenshuriken and Amaterasu, I can only assume as to why it did not affect Naruto and Sasuke. The second hokage swapped Minato and Obito just before the attack landed, so similarly with the same jutsu he may redirect the aftershock of the attack away from Naruto and Sasuke.

The second possibility is, since Naruto can himself control the area of effect of the Rasen Shuriken, as we have seen him perform earlier (mainly during the fight with Pain where he increases the area covered by the rasen shuriken as Pain was escaping). Due to which he himself may be able to minimize the are of impact of the jutsu and concentrate it only on Obito thereby saving both sasuke and himself.

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    How can you say that they are not in the blast radius? Naruto has to throw it to get out of the radius, but in their case, they did not? Aug 1 '13 at 3:21
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    @debal Naruto did not throw his Rasen Shuriken at Obito. In the image the OP put in the question that is clearly visible. The only thing that could've put them outside of the blast radius is the fact that Obito was propelled away from them when they hit him with that jutsu.
    – JNat
    Aug 1 '13 at 8:42
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    @debal The second paragraph you edited in seems more likely. If you look at the last page from the chapter, you'll notice that Minato is also far from Sasuke and Naruto. That would mean that the Second did not switch them back.
    – JNat
    Aug 1 '13 at 14:59
  • yes indeed, but the marks on Obito still remains, thereby giving the second an opening to redirect the after shock
    – debal
    Aug 1 '13 at 15:08
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    @debal I think i can agree with the second possibility you mentioned. =) Aug 2 '13 at 7:55

By combining Naruto's wind nature and Sasuke's Amaterasu the wind fans the fire greatly increasing its power. Accepting that the rasen attack at this point is ACTUALLY a main fire base with wind fanning it's power we can assume it combines Sasuke's effects with Naruto's. This means that although the field increases because Amaterasu is a fire based attack they would have had to be physically touching it to affect them, if you look at the picture and all of Naruto's rasen moves he actually is hold a chakra ball above his hand, this means we can infer that because Sasuke's element becomes the main ability while Naruto's ability form is used they wouldn't necessarily be damaged by the attack, also if it can be focused further by Saskue's greater form control (Chidori training while with Orochimaru), they would probably do a focused blast at a guess.

BTW this is backed up by Naruto's first on screen success of rasenshuriken when he combines it with Yamatos water style to block an attack and neither of them are harmed


The answer is simple. Naruto in the Kyuubi mode recovers faster than normal. On the other hand, Sasuke's Amaterasu is Blaze (enhanced fire) element jutsu while Naruto's Rasenshuriken is Wind. Combining those two element can form more powerful jutsu.

Manga panel showing the combined attack

Well, theoretically, this kind of jutsus are hard to control thus they have to hold them and form a melee attack. Remember what Sasuke said that he will adjust his chakra to Naruto just to have the right combination of the two jutsu. Take note that this is the first time they use that kind of combo-jutsu.


According to the wiki, Naruto can throw fuuton rasen shuriken when he is in Sage Mode.

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    I dont think even with in kyuubi mode that Naruto can recover in an instant. I know the jutsu is stronger combined with fire element, with that case, won't it make the damage to user worse too? Aug 1 '13 at 2:16
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    But it shows that Sasuke did not activate his Susanoo? Aug 1 '13 at 2:25
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    @NixR.Eyes Sasuke used his susano's bow to shoot the arrow of amaterasu. Check the chapter 634 once again. You will get your answers
    – debal
    Aug 1 '13 at 7:29
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    @debal I'm talking about the recent chapter where both of them attacked Tobi, not from the previous chapter where their target is the Juubi. Aug 1 '13 at 9:34
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    @NixR.Eyes my bad.. i will have a look at it once again and see if I can figure out something.. :)
    – debal
    Aug 1 '13 at 9:54

My immediate response would be to show-off the Minato-Tobirama combo space-time ninjutsu looking epic awesome along with a Naruto-Sasuke S rank ninjutsu all in same chapter.
But a more logical explanation, from my perspective, would be to overcome the chance of Obito easily dodging a projectile attack, and the fact that the combination of Rasenshuriken and Amaterasu would require more granular control of both elements, which would require them to sustain control only possible in a close range until they hit their target.


The actual reason why Naruto was not allowed to use Rasen shuriken is because it causes damage to the user of the jutsu even though it is not as severe as the damage caused to the target. Naruto's hands with which he used the Rasen shuriken got badly damaged, remember.

But when in Sage mode or when enveloped in Kurama's chakra, remember Naruto takes very less damage. That's why Naruto could actually use it in his sage/bijuu mode.

Also, when the Rasen Shuriken is combined with Amaterasu, we can see that the combo attack does not actually explode like Rasenshuriken. That is there are some differences in the method in which the damage is caused.
In the combo, the rasenshuriken just increases the strength of the Amaterasu. It doesn't make the characteristic damage of a Rasenshuriken. The damage is done by the Amaterasu. So sasuke was also able to hold it and hit the target.

  • I doubt that in the sage mode Naruto takes very less damage. In sage mode his reflexes increases and so does in Bijuu mode.
    – debal
    Aug 2 '13 at 10:43
  • Remember what Pa of Nidaisengama told to naruto during his training in Mount Myōboku. In sage mode naruto takes only very less damage. And that is the reason why naruto secretly went out at night to practice with RasenShuriken(thats what i think he was doing after slipping away at night). Yes his reflexes increase in sage mode as well as in Bijuu mode but his defensive capabilities increse as well. Aug 2 '13 at 10:48

When Tsunade described the affects of the Rasen Shuriken, it was said that in the end naruto COULD recover from the nanocuts he recieves via the kyuubi, but it would shorten his lifespan. As people have said before, as a results he's learned ways to avoid being in the blast radius of the move.

This doesn't mean, though, that Naruto would never again use the move in short distances. If anything, he was using the RS because he wanted to be Tobi via any means he had at his disposal. If it meant shortening his life span, so be it. The situation was certainly a justifiable one.

So IF the people above me are wrong about Naruto somehow avoiding the blast radius and the effects of the RS in this situation, he would probably have used it anyway and took the hit to his life span. Even Sakura and Tsunade herself uses moves that take a significant toll in longevity in situations that called for such a maneuver.

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