So, Kisame first met Obito (Tobi) when he introduced himself as the guy who controlls the Mizukage. Then, he tells Kisame about his Eye of the Moon Plan (Tsuki no Me) and recruits him to Akatsuki. So that's like 4 people who knew the true identity of Tobi as 'Madara' (later Obito, but they didn't know that): Konan, Nagato, Itachi, Kisame.

But if Kisame also knew him as the leader of Akatsuki, then why was he surprised when Tobi showed his face to him the second time, after Itachi died? I thought he already knew that Tobi mas Madara since he was the one who recruited him. It made sense for him to continue with Akatsuki after Nagato died, since Kisame didn't really care about who the leader was, as long as Kisame got the job done, but the only thing that bothers me is: why was he surprised when Tobi showed his face to Kisame the second time? He should've already known it was Madara/Obito. Is this a plot hole?

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    Welcome to Anime and Manga! Would you mind adding which episode number or manga chapter these instances occurred in? Dec 7, 2018 at 23:31
  • Oh yea i remember the episode your talking about! when Kisame was captured by Might guy i think Dec 8, 2018 at 1:15
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    Like @Wondercricket said, It is necessary to add references to questions like that, so that everyone else can follow up. In this case i know its Episode 251 but in case of next time. Dec 8, 2018 at 1:43

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In Chapter 507, the first time Kisame met Obito, he called himself Uchiha Madara and from what we can see, he was not wearing any mask and unlike the real Obito, he has long, spiky hair like Madara. From this, it might be said that Obito was disguised as Madara when he revealed himself to Kisame. However, remember that during this time, Obito was already calling himself 'Madara'. With long hair like those, with those eyes and the fact that few people has ever seen Madara's face, he could easily pass as one even with the scars on his face.

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In Chapter 404, after Itachi's death and when Obito finally removed the mask to reveal himself to Kisame, Kisame was surprised. Why? Because the 'Madara' that Kisame knew was not wearing any mask nor did he call himself 'Tobi'. When Tobi 'joined' the Akatsuki, he did not announce himself as 'Madara' but as Tobi, who Kisame was fond of. After Tobi presumably died, Kisame remarked that he was sorry to hear his death, especially since he (Tobi) lightens up the mood of the organization.

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To conclude, we can say that the first time they met, Obito did reveal himself to Kisame (scars in the face and all) but under the name 'Madara'. The second time they met, it was as 'Tobi' and with a mask so Kisame did not know who was the man underneath the mask. When Tobi revealed himself, Kisame was surprised because he did not expect that it was 'Madara'. 'Madara' did not tell him that he would be disguised as Tobi while in the Akatsuki, hence the surprise. It could not have been that he was surprised of the scars because he immediately recognized him and he made no comment on them either so we can assume he's already seen his scarred face before.

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    Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you so much!
    – polcsek10
    Dec 8, 2018 at 8:40

I dont believe this is a plothole, because the first time Kisame met the "Madara", it was actually Obito disguised as Madara Uchiha, Although we never got to see the actual person that Kisame was talking to, based of the way the persons hair from the Shadow was, it looked exactly like Madara Uchihas hair, and we all know that Obito's hair looks very different and isn't spiky long. (I would guess that Obito probably used substitution Jutsu in order to resemble the real Madara.)

However, the second time, he saw Obitos real face and that probably caught him by surprise since he was not expecting those scars.


It might have something to do with the masks. Obito used two types of masks in the series, repeatedly switching between the two. When he first meets nagato, konan and yahiko, he wears his "Tobi" mask. Later when he infiltrates the village, and also when he helps itachi in annihilating the uchiha, he wears the "Madara" mask. When he meets kisame for the first time, he's either wearing the Madara mask (in which case he revealed his face later) or no mask. His hair at that time was also different from when he encountered kisame in the akatsuki. He also may have used zetsu's or pain's abilities somehow to remain mysterious. Even when he earlier met kisame, Obito didn't mention akatsuki or implied any connection to it. Thus, kisame had no idea that Tobi was Obito or as he knew him, Madara. And so he was surprised to see him.

  • Please include relevant sources/references.
    – W. Are
    Mar 30, 2019 at 11:32

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